Give to Caesar What is Caesar's...
my response to a blogger's comments:
"I'm not so indifferent to the current economical condition of our country to think that raising taxes in recessionary times is a good thing."
Oh Hogwash. Raising taxes for people who make $250,000+ And of course, many folks don't catch that because they were tuned into easy-listening "McCain radio" but should read the facts at http://origin.barackobama.com/taxes/. From Obama’s website I didn’t even see anything about raising taxes for the wealthier except only that their tax would remain.
Don’t you think it’s a bit of a gamble to say the dreaded words “raise taxes” when you’re trying to win an election? All people have to hear is “raise taxes” and they go berserk regardless of the economic conditions. If the average American is making the above figure, then I’ve really been out of the loop.
I am ashamed right now of this country because of our greed, and because of that greed other countries are feeling the weight of it too.
Nobody is forced to do anything. College students now tote Prada and Chanel bags, people in their early to mid-twenties go to banks, buy expensive cars and homes, and do what they do out of their own willingness to do so. I get sick of the greedy "Joe the Plumber" stereotypes that are supposed to mirror the common man and his “pie in the sky” dreams. It’s just your typical stubbornness to pay taxes now masked as a reason to not vote for Obama during a recession.
It looks to me like the plumber is delusional with the belief that he is somehow rich, I guess, or that someday he will make $250,000 as a plumber and someone who is successful shouldn't be "penalized" for that. What is this some sort of lame attempt to get others to share their wealth?
It gets pretty funny because he’s helping along the relief effort for the wealthier guy he hopes to one day become while he continues with his $40,000 a year salary (which will see tax relief under Obama’s plan). We don’t even know how much his wife makes. Maybe she makes more than he does, which means he could very well be making nearly $100,000 a year and that still isn’t enough. In the end, recession or no recession, come spring he will still be taxed something, which will undoubtably piss him off.
Nobody wants to pay taxes regardless of how much he makes or what the law is. It’s absurd for a plumber to act in such a manner because he’ll never make the kind of cash he doesn’t believe should get taxed unless he strikes oil on one of his clogged toilet runs.
Unless you’re a stock junkie who placed his future in the bets of the stock market, I ask you, how many people making $250,000 a year are seriously being that hurt by the economy? I can’t guess the extent and maybe I’d be shocked, but that’s only because as your average American, I’ve never seen that kind of money. If Americans are making $40,000 a year and living like they make two or three times that, maybe they are in a hole, I don’t know. Doesn’t the president himself make a salary close to or around $250,,000? Maybe Obama should throw a hissy and stamp his foot at this supposed tax plan.
“I'm a conservative and I know what the average American can afford.”
I find it particularly insulting that anyone would think that because they are a conservative that they have some sort of "insider knowledge" about what people can afford. I can’t assume anything based on what any average American is able to afford. In a country where everyone prides themselves on what they can do or have, I think it is nearly impossible to know what anyone can afford right now because many Americans live on credit and most everyone is living beyond their financial means-- it's the only way. And now, with the current situation, maybe they aren’t going to be able to do that as easily. Maybe they are actually going to have to have the money for what they want.
The price of gas supposedly made people nervous, but not enough to take the bus or carpool. In fact, here in the city it seemed to me traffic increased. It feels like no one wants anyone or anything to tell them they can’t have what they want to have or do what they want to do. Gas prices could have reached $7 or more, people would have become more angry and food prices would have sky-rocketed, and I seriously doubt it would have affected the traffic that much.
It is greed and the money hungry who have thrust this country into the recession it is in. It is the rich, the greedy banks and the Americans who live beyond their means being driven by that greed. Everyone believes they need or deserve everything and yet shouldn't have to pay taxes. Everyone is pointing their finger at everyone when maybe they should be pointing at themselves. It makes absolutely no sense to bite the hand that is holding the trough one is dining in. And from the time George Bush took office it has been corporate greed down the line for eight...long...years.
"While I enjoy your cynical posts on culture at large, the personal attacks don't work as well for either entertainment or quality in my opinion. But, maybe that's just me. I don't care for it from either party."…
You don’t care for it from either party but you care more when it’s aimed at the party you favor. It doesn’t work for you because you are on the flip-side. I don’t think it’s your place to decide for me what works. Typically, whatever I rant about, whether it’s the prices at Whole Foods, UGG boot trends, Lance Armstrong affairs, or gay pride parades it is an opinionated attack. And just because it’s a presidential candidate doesn’t make it less cultural or that it should be less of an attack because someone might get hurt. However, I give you credit for stating your opinion. I get a few lame, passive-aggressive comments and catty, insecure viewpoints. But the positive feedback far outweighs any negative responses on my blog.
You have a right to your opinion and that's fine that you find my personal attacks on the candidate I don't like to be offensive. Who cares? So I should keep my opinions to myself? I find attacks on Obama offensive because he is the candidate I choose. If I get some applause or a chuckle from those who also support Obama, fine. If by chance I think I’ve stepped over the line and actually personally hurt someone’s I might apologize. But if I don't, I won’t. There are plenty of bloggers that are perpetual brag sheets, and I read many posts that I find lame, boring, and even offensive. More often than not, I choose to say nothing. But if I do say something, and the blogger doesn’t like or agree and I say it on their blog, that person has every right to ignore, delete, retort, or even tell me to go to hell if they choose.
I don't write my posts to appease or sprinkle fairy dust around anyone. If you don't like it, fine. But if you choose to say something on my blog that I don't agree with (depending upon the subject matter and whether I think it's worth it), expect a retaliation.
I do know this: I’m not apologizing for not liking a bitter old man and his maverick-on-the-back. With all the pressure and problems we are currently steeped in, he will most certainly die before his term is up. Though older folks have a lot to reiterate and things for us younger folks to learn from, I just feel there is something inherently wrong with someone of his age and bad health to be so power-hungry for the presidency. I think he’s just fine where he currently resides. I mean 8 years ago he was a better choice , but now?
I voted for George Bush in the last election and nearly didn't vote at all because I thought both candidates sucked. My decision to vote democratic this time is based in my own discernment of character I see in the candidates.
I don't stamp myself as either Republican or Democrat, though it's obvious I'm leaning left this time around.
I am not a socialist or a communist.
I’m not a supporter of terrorism who thinks Obama is a terrorist because his middle name is Hussein and he can be friends with a Muslim.
And though I am a Christian, I don’t believe that God is on the side of my political views. As far as taxes, give to Caesar what is Caesar’s.
And, there is no argument in the idea that this sort of rant doesn't work for you-- and that makes perfect sense to me--you're a McCain supporter.
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Anyway, on to your actual post: McCain has had a values transplant. 8 years ago he was a very different person. And the bitterness and cynicism I see from both he and "but I had to spend the money to be pretty enough to succeed" Palin is just... unnerving. I don't like it.
Firstly, I agree with Shush Now. McCain was, indeed, a different person eight years ago. He's never been a true conservative. When I used to read National Review, they couldn't stand him, going as far as to put a characature of him on the cover of their magazine, ready to blow up the White House.
But that's not really what I want to say. When I read this post and others like it, all I can say is, "Yes, yes, yes! This is the chick I married!" You always find your God-given voice when you're pissed off, and I'll never tire of hearing that voice. I could defend your ideas here, but I see no need to do that. Your thoughts stand on their own. You are a very worthy opponent for any of your naysayers.
"I am ashamed right now of this country because of our greed, and because of that greed other countries are feeling the weight of it too".
Your election is not just about the US and its domestic issues, but every other human on the planet will be affected in some way by the outcome. All developed countries will need to urgently correct their fiscal irresponsibility and culture of greed as you so clearly point out.
That you chose to vote Republican last time is adequate indication to me of your unbiased impartiality as a commentator. Those who have traded their intelligence for blind, unthinking lifetime loyalty to one party or another, have, in my estimation little credibility.
You are officially my personal US political correspondent. Thank you.
As for giving to Caesar what is Caesar's, I'm fine with that too. But giving more and more is what I object to. The U.S. Constitution spells out the enumerated powers of the federal government and what they are to collect taxes for. The problem is that the people have allowed the government to go so far beyond their bounds that there is no turning back, only hopes of curbing the spending to some extent. The states are also guilty of allowing the feds to take their rights away and infringe upon the freedom of the people.
Whether we like it or not, taxing corporations and those who we deem to be wealthy does in fact hurt everyone. Corporations don't pay taxes from their profit. They set the desired profit and mark up the prices from their costs to produce. One such cost is the tax burden. We pay the tax in the higher prices. Those we call wealthy are the same small to mid-size business owners that create many of our jobs. Raising their taxes or mandating benefits they have to pay to employees reduces their capital to expand and create jobs. In fact jobs will be cut. Trickle down economics works negatively also.
Greed is an attitude in a person and that person can be needy as well as wealthy. Wealth doesn't mean greed. Capital is needed for expansion and for research and development. Why is the government assigned the task of determining what limits of wealth are allowable. $250,000 in the Midwest may be wealthy, but on either coast where the cost of living is quite a bit higher, it may be just doing well. That's also assuming the number stays that high. And I find the whole Joe the plumber thing odd. The man asks a simple question and his life is trashed rather than looking at the spread the wealth answer to the question and the theory behind it. And Joe's not alone. The Obama campaign doesn't appear to like tough or pointed questions that challenge their points and the press sure doesn't challenge them.
I also didn't say that I had some insider knowledge based on the fact that I am a conservative. I identified myself as a conservative to be up front in the discussion. I said I knew what the average American could afford because I think I am one economically. My household income is far, far below the $250,000. I live check to check and have debt to juggle like most households that I know of.
I agree that corporate greed exists. Looking at the "golden parachutes" for one example speaks loudly. But it has existed long before Bush. I don't defend Bush anymore than to say it has been here much longer than he has. The mortgage crisis has triggered the financial crisis and it began back in the 70's when politicians began involving themselves in the banking system and telling financial institutions to relax their requirements and get people in houses who couldn't otherwise qualify for them. The Community Reinvestment Act is at the heart of the problem of which Barney Frank and Chris Dodd were front and center while this problem blew up. There is plenty of blame and criticism for both parties in this mess. And that's the issue, that government gets involved in the free market and messes it up almost every time.
I don't expect you to apologize for your views or what you write and I don't believe I ever implied as much. I simply have an opinion that evidently doesn't agree with yours. I find it quite boring to only respond to those with whom I only agree. I like the challenge of opposing views to help me evaluate, and at times, rethink my position or reaffirm my principles. If that's not what you want here, I can move on. And it is for me personally that personal attacks, whether a politician or a celebrity, seems to never deal with an actual issue. I simply state that as my opinion, not to tell you that you don't have the right to do it. So appreciating it or not has nothing to do with whether or not I support McCain, which I do not. I oppose Obama and McCain will be the beneficiary of it since there is not a conservative candidate to whom I can give my vote. In our state the requirement is to declare a party in the primary and vote only on that side of the ticket for the primary. I have been a registered Democrat and I have been a registered Republican. I do not believe I owe allegiance to either party, but I do claim to be conservative which today is closer to the Republican candidates in my opinion.
My closing thought, other than being glad the election is only a couple days away, is that if it wasn't economic issues to sway me, it would be Obama's horrific record on abortion, an issue that has cost this country greatly in many ways.
I don't want to make it seem like abortion is the only issue for me, but his stance in this area puts his entire decision-making process into question. His stance is left of most pro-choice politicians in this area, who are mainly concerned with a woman's right to choose what happens to her own body. Let's draw the line once a child is removed his/her mother's body, ok? Any child that survives a late-term abortion attempt must be given rights. To intentionally let a child die at this point is infanticide, and in my opinion, is a completely indefensible position for anyone to take. Just read nurse Jill Stanek's first-hand account from 2001. It's a matter of record that Barack Obama led the charge to kill the Born-Alive bill in the IL senate. I've read his explanation, and frankly, it makes me sick. Apparently, protecting abortion doctors from legal liability is more important than protecting living infants from death. How Obama can claim to have a "righteous wind at his back" is beyond me.
This election has really taken its toll on me personally, and I'm very much looking forward to its end. I've gotten into a number of heated conversations with family -- and with people I consider friends (as I consider you) -- which I hope we can put aside once this election is done. I don't consider myself an "outspoken" person, but for whatever reason I've found myself in that role recently.
If the deluge of polls and media reports we read on a daily basis are correct, it'll be a landslide for Obama. If the yard signs in my own neighborhood are any indication, they may be right. Who knows? I'm hoping for a little bit of election night drama, as I'm sure the TV pundits are as well.
I only have to read Sarge's first paragraph to know it's more of the same. You just don't get it. Hetta doesn't want cheerleaders, she wants courtesy. And you, sir, convey arrogance.
Oh, and I'm sure that Christ is relieved that you're "okay" with HIS mandate to give to Caesar what is Caesar's. God forbid you might have disagreed with that one. The bible might need to be changed to comply with your self-appointed authority.
I was angry. Now I'm bored. Where's my unicorn? Uni...uni?
Yeah...nothing personal. I think you're sincere.
Bleh...anyway, I've got some sort of flu...so, things are lookin' kinda slimey here right now.
I'm disappointed in Obama's stance on abortion too. I really am weak here on this point and what to think or say about it, no one has done anything about it...not even George and he supposedly rode the abortion issue's coattails during his own campaign.
I have to say this election has taken its toll on me in some ways too. I think all Americans are fed up right now with a lot of different things. But hey! On the brighter side, have you guys welcomed that new one yet?
McCain's no conservative either, and hence, I'm really torn in this election. I took one of those "who should you vote for based on your views" surveys just for fun, and while McCain was the choice, I was amazed at how close I was to Bob Barr, a Libertarian candidate. So I guess that puts me somewhere in the middle of those two guys. I dunno - Whatcha gonna do when you can't find someone to vote for? Find the closest match, I guess. You won't agree on everything. There are some deal-breakers for me though, and I mentioned one.
As for the newest arrival, he's being stubborn! He's two days late now - nearly three - which is new territory for us. Maybe he'll be an election baby. :-)
Oh I hope Tunde has an easy birth!
Last election, I wanted to flip a coin and choose. But this time around, I just can't make abortion my main thing. It is serious though, no doubt. We as voters can vote the person in whom we think will do something sensible. However, whether that issue comes into play after the election? I just think that abortion is serious enough, on the one hand, when it comes to voters and in some ways it's a kind of bait to get certain voters. Nothing is ever done about it.
Sigh...