Daycare Facilities and Divorce Rates Affected by Dragging Economy?

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So true.
I don't know. What about parents that have to work? The ones just trying to make ends meet..when it's not a choice.

My neighbors don't make $100 grand a year..most are lucky to make $50 and that's with both parents working..don't they have a right to raise a family too? I don't think they're being selfish by putting their children in daycare. They aren't trying to have the best of the best, they're trying to make sure they have electricity.

I'm one of the lucky few around here that can stay home with my son and thank my lucky stars every day for that privilege..because around here, it is a privilege.

Children do learn from us and kids in my neighborhood learn it's better to work hard for what you get as opposed to taking a hand out and I think that's a pretty good lesson, too.


This is true too. Like the free staff nursery I'm subbing at. These teachers are making beans to teach my kids. Really. I feel a bit guilty getting to have all the fun of playing with a couple of toddlers all day long while they teach. One mom told me, she would love to be home, but she and her husband just can't afford it.

On the other hand, I do know a couple that both make six figures, put their kids in day care from 7-6. The kids go to bed at 7, every night. They play tennis on the weekends and all sorts of things that don't involve their kids. Now those kids, I feel bad for.

I appreciate your viewpoint, but I won't change my mind on this subject. I hear what you're saying because I've heard these excuses over and over again, and I don't buy them.

There are always financial excuses for why we must put our children in daycare. Right now, Dave and I have no solid income stream. When we did, we were making what I felt to be a lot of money and had a very nice savings account. We had more money than we needed and we were one of those $50,000 granders and feeling pretty wealthy driving a 15 year old car and living in a one-bedroom apartment. Of course, we had no kids, no $200,000 home or 2 cars in the driveway, but we could have easily had these things if we had prioritized them.

Most people (not all) have their first baby and think well it's time to move into a four-bedroom home. Why? Most people think they need and they buy all of those material things without the solid financial means and before the kids come along only to discover that now, they can barely afford all those things they think they have to have to live a decent life.

A decent enough daycare is going to take at least 10-12 grand a year out of that two-person salary if not more. It just doesn't seem like it could be worth the money to send your kid to daycare...I don't care how much money you're making. And, I might add, that those parents I worked for were both making at least $100 grand a piece and complaining about their expenses...one being the expense of daycare!

I don't have a clear-cut budget for the average financial crisis anymore than I suspect Obama does (God Bless Him). But I feel very strongly about this subject. Downsize. Eat less. Do less. I don't know. But there is an answer and it isn't daycare.

I personally think that on average, Americans are driven and live up to some standard outside of themselves and what they are capable of doing. They aren't willing to do without anything and so they strive to have everything and then feel sorry for themselves when the bills come rolling in. They get into a vicious cycle and they are never going to have enough money no matter what. Couples who are barely making it on $50,000 a year have a money management problem. So, in that respect, you're right-- there is no way they could survive on half of that like my own parents did with five kids.

Ooo, you're stirring it up on this one. Good thought-provoking post that I don't completely agree with. I think you're a bit too harsh in judgment. I think based on your post and comments in comparison with my life, I'm living beyong my means, have a money management problem, don't care about my kid, don't care about being a mother, and consider my kid just another expense.

Wow, and I was wondering why I passed over for mom of the year for the 14th year in a row! ;)

I agree with Jamie that many families are barely scraping by. Couples (especially those with children) who are barely making it on $50K a year do not have a money management problem. I think it would be wise to do some research of the COL around the country before you say something like that. Where I live, $50K is a limited income, no matter how responsible people are with their $. But I live here because this is where family is. Which is important to my kid's stability, especially as a single parent.

Life is not as black and white as you'd like to make it sound – it's hella gray. The reason people make certain choices in life isn't always about money (see above). You may think you have these families all figured out, but I don't really agree.

I was a stay at home mom for 3 years. And we went without a lot so I could stay home. Then my husband took all of our money and disappeared, aka left me. I didn't plan for that when I had my kid. So I got a job, and my kid went to grandma's for a few years, and then a couple of years in daycare. Until I was finally able to work from home and then he never saw a daycare ever again. But during the time he was in DC, I would have walked into your daycare and you would have had the same disdain for me. You can assume you know why I made the choices I did, but the reality is that you just don't know, any more than I know your situation. There are many other aspects you haven't taken into consideration, or are even privvy to.

Also... being a SAHM isn't a carte blanche pass. At 19, I was a nanny for a stay at home mom and she was actually gone more than I was at 30 as a single working mother. So it's not about daycare, it's not about SAHMs: It's about the fact that there are families out there who do not put their children as a priority. On that, I can agree with you.

I could go on but actually, I'm not in support of daycare as it stands now. It's like Lord of the Flies in some of those places. Personally I think daycare should be subsidized for everyone, and day care workers should be unionized and certified at a certain level of education. But more importantly, I think we need to live in a culture that believes family should actually be a support system for each other (like grandma watching my kid.). I think the educational system needs to look beyond just educating and looking at mentorship. (check out the documentary "To Be and To Have), etc, etc, etc.

I think the most frustrating thing about this post is the lack of support you have for other women in general. This is why we don't get anywhere as a force to be reckoned with. We're too busy judging each other for making certain choices. I'm not going to look down on anyone who puts their kid in day care for similar reasons I did. I've been there. I've lived it. I've had to deal with people who hold the same opinion as you.

My hope is that when you finally do have your child, that you stay home and never leave his/her side. I hope that child grows up strong and healthy and happy because of your parenting not in spite of it. But I also hope you are able to soften a bit in the judgement department. Children become what we are. And people are dealing with much more than just what's on the surface; just what the facts may show. And I would hope you would be able to see that someday.

Best of luck with everything. :)

Oh brother...I guess the hen house has been disturbed?

If you don't like my posts you don't have to read them. And if my opinions are too left of center, remove me from your neighborhood. It's what I do when I fail to read, forget, or get tired of whatever or whomever.

I mentioned above (though as somewhat of an afterhought) I feel there is an exception that has to be made for single-parents who most often have no choice because they have to do something. So, I understand your frustration with this post because you're responding from your own experience and difficulties as a single-parent mom. That's understandable. But I'm not going to reiterate where my frustration exists. This post wasn't about my disgust of single-parent moms who were once married to dead-beat dads.

So you were voted mom of the year, 12 times? Your bragging twelve isn't twelve strikes against me. It won't make me step onto the red carpet you've rolled out for yourself. Though, I'm guessing that "little" contest was in your neighborhood? I don't recall seeing your face on TIME magazine or anything like that.

And it would seem to me that a twelve-time winner for "mom of the year" could figure out what sort of programs to show on a band field trip without having to send me a post on the matter. But I suppose involving everyone in the matter scores points for you in the eyes of the less involved and the award mother of the year is yours.

Also, I don't make life out to be "black and white" with a post about daycare. It's my opinion and one I feel strongly about. I have my opinion about certain subjects as anyone, and you have yours. And arriving on my blog with a trumpet of bragging and know-isms is absurd. You're wasting your time.

When I got out of college, I started making $16,000, and two adults were able to live off of that. When I got a raise to $20,000, we were doing better. When I got a new job and was making $30,000, we literally didn't need all the money and lived beneath our means. Before we began our business, between the two of us, Heather and I were making $90,000 a year. We lived on about a third of it, and we weren't cutting corners. We were living "high on the hog" as far as we were concerned.

Although I feel for your friends, I really do, and it would be mighty tight for a family of four to live off of, say, $30,000, if only one parent worked, they'd have way less money, but they'd be together. As one who's been legally poor and one who's been at the other end, I know with absolute certainty that I'd rather be poor and stick together than ever send my kids to daycare.

The one exception to this rule is single parents. If they don't have someone like a grandparent to watch the kid(s), they'd don't have a choice if they want to work. In other words, daycare should be an absolute LAST RESORT, but in our country, the most wealthy of us all are happy to stick their kids in daycare while they pursue their self-serving careers and greed in the name of "family".

I feel as strongly about this subject as Heather does. I think the issue you're missing here is that there's a choice to be made -- money or actually seeing your kids grow up and those kids not having to deal with neglect in a daycare as a result. No daycare is so good that your kids won't be dealing with neglect. No daycare can to any degree whatsoever replace the love of a parent.

But then again, any parent who'd stick their kids in daycare but didn't absolutely have to wouldn't be the type to give their kids love in the first place. Maybe daycare IS a better choice in that case...

Wow ... you've got to realize people are going to disagree with you if you're going to post extreme opinions and then leave it open for comments. My intention wasn't to tell you to take your opinion and shove it, it was to offer my own side just as passionately. I'm sorry it came across as offensive. I can be just as brash as you, and I realize that.

But I did say that I liked your post, because it does provoke thought.

And to clarify, because you mentioned it a few times in your post: I didn't say I was a "twelve time winner" at mom of the year. I was joking that I've never gotten mom of the year in 14 years (my kid's 14..... The fact is, anyone vying for that 'award' is poorly misguided because these things turn into teenagers and it all goes to hell anyway. Besides, I'm the last one who would care about that sort of thing). I was joking that now I know why not.

Wow. With this, and bitching me out about cake icing, and programs for the band trip......

I'm very sorry, HH. I had no idea my opinion of cake icing, day care and band stuff would make you so incensed. I'm sincerely sorry.
Again what a relief to read someone who feels the same way as I do about child care.
I also recently touched on this subject and got a less than enthusiastic response. Keep up the good work.

I'm sorry Gunderson. As a single mom trying to get by, I could undserstand your frustration, but my post was not aimed at single-parent households.

I've misread some of your words, but it was apparent to me that you had misread mine.

I understand that people will sometimes disagree with me.

And the cake thing? Well...that was just wrong. I am sorry about the "rag" thing. That was a pretty low blow. I know I would not have appreciated a comment like that. I misread you.

It's a "touchy" subject. I don't feel that I'm doing good work, but I can't help feel what I feel.

I'm an enraged, maybe even irrational at times, individual when it comes to certain subjects. This is one of 'em.

Wow, obviously I came to this pretty late, but it impacted me so much that I'll leave this comment and be done with it. This post, and many of the comments here, are disappointing. I've said before, and I'll say again, the judgment women put other women through for parenting choices (or in this case, just parents in general) is counterproductive and doesn't do anybody any good. I particularly think that anybody who hasn't had to make a choice themselves (i.e. having children and having to decide about care) should take issue with how others have done it. This is precisely what's wrong with our culture in general: the idea that one person has the unilateral, all-universal "right" answer for everybody else, and believes he/she can impose judgment on others because of it. So much damage comes of that kind of arrogence and conceit.

The scathing nature of this post was pretty off-putting for me, and I'm sorry that I'll lose you as a neighbor over it. I previously really enjoyed your posts.

Best of luck to you in life and happiness.

Oh well...sometimes you win...sometimes you lose...

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